1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

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1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby TicketMan4u » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:39 pm

I regularly buy items in online auctions at Sam Lilly Liquidators in Helena, AL and have found some pretty good deals there. http://www.samlilly.com/. He mostly has business close-outs, estate items, office furniture, etc. but occassionally has vehicles and recreational vehicles.
I recently stopped by to pick-up my latest acquitions and saw a Brockway parked in front of the building. Looking it over it's obviously in rough condition but thought I'd post it here anyway in case someone might be interested.

Couldn't find a VIN plate but the office ladies referred me to some photos they already entered in their computer. The auction has not be posted yet. The listing can be found if you go to the web site and enter "Brockway" in the "Search" box. The owner said the auction is scheduled to start July 7th.

The cab doesn't look too bad except for the roof which has completely rusted thru in several places. Don't know if it runs or if it will even turn over. Only looked at one side of the engine and didn't have much time for questions before closing. They listed it as a 1974 but I thinks it's a 1973. Also I couldn't find anything on the information they provided in the listing which was supposed to have come from a plate they found inside the vehicle.

Item Description
1974 Brockway Truck, 185,544 Miles
Model NTC-250
Engine# 10462735
Engine Certification Identification: Family-092 CPI-0176
So.No. 15221
Mfg. Date 11-74
Ref. No. 3966-A2-3

The VIN plate in the photo lists it as a model N361T with Serial Number 79066. The cab has Huskidrive on the right front fender and dash. It has twin Huskies for a hood ornament just above the number "361". It's a single axle tractor with a five speed transmission and some type of towing rig on the 5th wheel. Looks like the winch has been removed if it ever had one.

If anybody interested in bidding has questions or needs more information that can't be answered by contacting the company let me know and I'll go back by and see if I can help. This is not my truck and I don't have any part in the company. The owner has just become a friend and I offered to put it out there to see if there was any interest.

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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby TicketMan4u » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:40 pm

More photos are available at www.samlilly.com
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby H762TL » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:52 pm

Paul, this one's for you!
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby huskidrive 359 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:31 pm

Jeff if it wasn't so far away I may have considered it. the trucking would cost too much hopefully one of the southern boys will give it a good home! Paul
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby stubnosebrock » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:19 pm

Appears to be an original Huskidrive truck, but no turbocharger. Whats going on with these things? Cant imagine any reason to take one off, especially with that drive train.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby H762TL » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:46 pm

This is the same truck that was posted a couple weeks ago..
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby stubnosebrock » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:22 pm

Shows how much I pay attention. I had no idea. Guess theres not more than one
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby TicketMan4u » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:02 pm

Sorry if I've reposted, I was not aware someone else had already listed it here. If you don't mind could you direct me to the previous post so I can see who listed it and what they had to say about it? Thanks in advance.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby stubnosebrock » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:09 pm

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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby sbrant358 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:51 pm

TicketMan4u wrote:Sorry if I've reposted, I was not aware someone else had already listed it here. If you don't mind could you direct me to the previous post so I can see who listed it and what they had to say about it? Thanks in advance.


The original post that mentioned this same truck said that the woman who owned the property where the truck is located wasn't going to sell it because it was her husband's truck.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby TicketMan4u » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:12 pm

That's got to be it since Alabaster is just down the road from Helena where to auction is being held. Must have been used as a tow truck after all since it came from a repair shop. The owner must have changed her mind about selling it.

I've bought and sold some old Macks for a friend in the past. While learning about them I'd heard about the Brockway truck but like the other poster had never seen one. Just trying to put it out there wherever I could to those that love the old trucks in hopes of saving it from the torch.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby TicketMan4u » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:03 am

Read the previous post and replies. Still have questions maybe you guys can answer. The information in the auction listing about the truck and engine doesn't seem to match up.

They got it as a 1974 with a NTC-270 engine manufactured in 11/74. Seems to me an engine manufactured that late in the year would have gone in the next year model truck but I don't know what the cut-off was for trucks as opposed to regular vehicles.

Secondly the photo of the VIN plate show the truck to be a N361T with serial number 79066. Another web site has charts showing that serial number to be for a 1973 truck and that model to have a Cummins NH-230 engine. I saw another place where the NH-230 was identified as a non-turbo, small cam 855 cid engine which explains no turbocharger on this trucks engine.

Third when I briefly looked at the engine I saw Cummins on the starter and some casting numbers on top of the engine I tried to look up. Looking at the engine from the left side of the truck it had "A" over "160450" over "USA MB" facing me with the date "12-11-68" facing the other way. The date led me to suspect that at least this part and possibly the whole engine had been made in 1968 and was possibly not original to this truck which doesn't seem unusual.

Anyone here have an opinion about this?
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby quadbox » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:05 am

If the engine is a 230-250 Cummins instead of a 270 with the Huskiedrive drivetrain set up it would not work well pulling a load as the standard 230-250 are made to run 1700-2100 with no lugging below that RPM range trans used would be at least a 9 speed. The Huskiedrive used a 5+1 trans with the low RPM high torque design. 9 speed could be used in the 270 but 5+1 could not be used in the 230 unless it was the low RPM high torque rise model which would have a turbo.Clear as mud. Joe D.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby huskidrive 359 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:12 am

Ticketman, Joe is right, the Huskidrive drivetrain was made to work with the turbocharged 270. Some members on here could run the serial # to give all the specs of how it was made, If it was built with Huskidrive, it will also have a huskidrive emblem or 3 holes where one was on the glovebox door, it will have a Huskidrive lever to the lower right of the steering column you may read power park cruise on the plate this actuates the shift to and from the 3.70-5.05 ratios in the Eaton rear. and it will have a T905H trans. If it has these components then someone switched the engine along the way. Hope this helps clarify Paul
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby 359Huskidrive » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:54 am

You can see the Huskidrive toggle switch on the dash. You can also see part of the Huskidrive emblem on the glovebox. Look at the interior picture. Carl
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby huskidrive 359 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:19 pm

Thanks guys I just figured out how to go through the auction pics. you can see all the Huskidrive stuff. Its a Huskidrive truck somebody changed the engine at some point. Paul
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby TicketMan4u » Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:34 pm

Thanks for all the replies so far but I'm still a little fuzzy about this truck. I know very little about big trucks and took only a brief look at this one. There is a lever on the right side of the steering wheel but I didn't look at it or the dash very closely. I think the lever said something about it was not to be used for a parking brake. The truck does have the Huskidrive emblems on the passenger side dash and front hood along with the number "361" just under the twin Huskies hood ornament.
As for the transmission I did not look at it and would not recognize what kind it was just by looking even if I had. I did notice that there was only a single stick in the cab and it did not have a two speed axle switch attached to it. I assumed it had a 5 speed transmission based on the shift chart attached to the dash. I've tried to draw it out and have attached it as a photo.

Thanks for your continued patience with such an ignorant novice as I.

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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby stubnosebrock » Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:46 pm

The valve with the handle you saw to the right of the steering wheel is generally called the trolley valve. It controls the trailer brakes independently from the tractor brakes. The transmission is a straight 5 speed like you thought. It has a multi speed rear axle also, but its controlled by a lever mounted under the dash board on the Huskidrive trucks.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby TicketMan4u » Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:41 pm

That explains the transmission but I'm still unclear about exactly what type of engine this truck has. If I'm gonna buy it or try to convince my friend to I really need to know which model Cummins is under the hood.

The Model - Engine Designation Cross Reference chart on www.huskidrive.com list the N361T model truck as having a Cummins NH-230. I'm planning another trip to the auction house to check out the truck again and find out where they got their engine description information in the ad which lists the engine as a NTC-250.

Any suggestions on where to look on the engine or in the engine compartment for clues to help me figure out which one it really is?
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby MikeHarbison » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:43 am

there should be a info tag on the left side,ahead of the air compressor.
1944 152 152W10-24586
1967 457 E457T-66936
1974 358 N358LL-79726
1976 759 E759LL-90998
1973 457(parts truck)F457TL-80718
1974 457(parts truck)N457TL-80737
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