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Picked up a project today

Postby Woodee361 » Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:10 pm

Hello, I've been in the background on the board for quite awhile. Today I finally acquired my first Brockway, a 1968 N361Tl. I'm sure my questions will be many as I get into it but the knowledge on here gives me plenty of confidence. I'll post more pics when I get some, storms rolled in shortly after we got it unloaded.
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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby stubnosebrock » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:15 am

Cool truck and dog. What are the specs?
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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby Woodee361 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:14 pm

Thanks, its a N361TL-17-68725 with a NH-250 and a RR RTO-913. Don't know the axle spec on the rears or the front. Rear I can't find a tag with info yet and the front needs to be cleaned. The gentleman I bought it from parked it in 89 or 90.
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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby Huskiedrive2 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:00 pm

Welcome aboard Woodee361! Nice project you have there. Many of us have restored and/or own the 300 series. Feel free to ask about anything you might have a question on. You might be interested to know that if you reach out to the Mack Museum with your complete model and serial number, they will send you copies of all paperwork they have on file for your truck. This may included things like original build sheets, order forms, original customer info, dealer change orders, warranty repairs, etc.. This info is provided free but a donation of $20 or so helps move your request to the top of the pile. I recently sent for the information on my 360 and it took about 5 weeks. Here's the contact info --- https://www.macktruckshistoricalmuseum.org/contact-us/
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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby Woodee361 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:13 am

Thanks for the welcome! I'm sure I will have plenty of questions but I'm glad I have the opportunity to own a Brockway. I will definitely be contacting the Mack Museum, I'm very interested in finding out the history on this truck.
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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby Woodee361 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:19 am

Here's a couple from the "recovery" operation.
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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby Woodee361 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:22 am

Loaded up and delivered
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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby stubnosebrock » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:48 am

Any updates so far?
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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby Woodee361 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:51 pm

I got the cab cleaned out, floor isn't swiss cheese but it's pretty ugly. Figured it would be though. JDG thought the rears looked like 38k Hendrickson extend a leaf. Cleaned the crud off the engine and found a tag that says it's a NHC-250 not an NH. Trying to educate myself about Cummins engines now. Working on getting a spot cleared in the barn to get a roof over it before I start dismantling.
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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby stubnosebrock » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:54 pm

Sweet, The C just means custom rated. I forget all the ratings, but I believe it means it could be set like 225, 240 or 250 hp? It would depend what you ordered it at. So whereas a NH250 would have been 250hp, your NHC250 could be 225. Stan may be able to correct those numbers.
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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby stubnosebrock » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:56 pm

As far as your rears go, none of your pictures really show them, but 34k or 38k is where Id bet they'd be, especially with the lighter front axle.
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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby Woodee361 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:16 pm

Ok, good to know about the C meaning. Everything I have come across on the web hasn't broke it down like that. Is there anything to look out for when I work on getting it running, anything specific to cummins?

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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby stubnosebrock » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:18 am

As long as it turns over, thats the biggest hurdle. Make sure the oil is up, or change it, make sure it has water in it, get some good batteries in it. I like to pull the compression release, then turn it over for a bit and get oil pumping. Once you've done that, as long as it has fuel, it will probably pop right off. They aren't super difficult to wake up generally. Id change the fuel filter for sure, make sure you fill the new one. You definitely a have extended leaf Hendrickson. 4.44.is the ratio. Most likely 38K.
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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby oldspwr » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:07 am

If you need new floor pieces, Dane Baldwin is reproducing them now. He used NOS pieces for reference and it's a lot easier than making them.

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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby Woodee361 » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:53 pm

Yeah, I am hopeful it does turn over. Oil level is good on the stick and I put 2 gal of water in the radiator which brought it to full in the sight glass. I'll put a new fuel filter on, I'll need to draw from a 5 gal can for now. I assume that will work? What does the compression release look like? I've searched quite a bit on line and come up with nothing to help me. I was looking over the engine again tonight and nothing is really jumping out at me.

Thanks Tom, I appreciate that. I figured I would just need to study your pics on your 361 build thread very closely and try to do something halfway close to your awesome job. I seems that Dane has quite an inventory from reading online. I might just need to pull the trailer next time I come North to vist my folks and do some shopping.
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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby stubnosebrock » Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:05 am

Grab the fan and see if the belts are tight enough to turn if over. If they slip, try putting a breaker bar on the center bolt on the front crank balancer. You can run it off a can, just amke sure the suction line is totally submerged, you dont want air problems. But ill also tell you this, that unless someone put a shut off valve on, when you take that suction line off the bottom of the fuel tank, you're gonna lose whatever fuel is in there. So, it may be worth your while to just drain the tank, wash it out, and put fresh fuel in. You'll need to do it anyway eventually. Ok, compression release, look on the left side of the engine, towards the front, just kinda behind the water pump area, you'll see a little lever sticking out, Thats the compression release. You have to pull that, HARD. Using an old fan belt around it helps, then you can do it from the ground. The engine will turn over a lot faster when its pulled out, and if its pulled out far enough, the engine wont start. It is possible that your engine doesn't have one, but I doubt it.
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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby Woodee361 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:51 pm

Thanks for the advice. I hoped to get some time this week to see about the compression release but it's been busy. Hope to this weekend.
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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby Woodee361 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:32 pm

It's in the barn! Last post I was gonna look for a compression release. I've looked it over and I don't believe this engine has one. I finally found a couple pics online where it should be like you said Brandon but mine doesn't have anything even close.
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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby STRETCH » Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:22 am

Hey guys... thought I might jump in here .
Woodee, if it hasn’t run in a awhile... make sure you have a way to killl the engine if it starts.
You may want to use just a small container of fuel first , so if it starts and does something unexpected you can take the fuel away.

The newer fuel has less sulfur ( lubricant ) in it.
Or, if moisture was in fuel things in the system can stick.

I just had a recent incident that I was NOT prepared for,as I had a governor stick wide open!!!
This will get your attention in a hurry! :oops: :oops:

Good luck! Hope you get her running.

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Re: Picked up a project today

Postby Woodee361 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:49 pm

Thanks Stretch! That has been a concern of mine and especially after reading about your experience. I will definitely have a plan in case things go South. I'm glad you were able to get yours straight without major issues.

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