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Rear end

Postby trolldog » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:57 pm

Hello Does anybody have/can get a line on a Brockway differential/or whole rear end OEM for my 1923 Seldon fire truck I have also seen the exact rear end in a 1926 Rio fire truck internationals in the 20's and 30's may have used the same Brockway rear ends. Last year I saw a thread here about a member restoring an early Brockway fire truck if someone knows who that was please have him respond to my post !! Thanks Troll
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Re: Rear end

Postby steve s. » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:36 pm

Brockway did not manufacture rear ends. Like many other builders of " assembled" trucks, Brockway bought their components from specialized manufacturers . Selden did the same. The rear axle in your truck was most likely built by Timken Detroit. Guessing that it is a 1-1/2 ton truck, I would say it most likely had a worm drive and semi floating axles. If you can provide some more information such as the model or rated capacity, I will try to help you identify the specific axle that you are looking for.

You are on the right track, the rear axle you need might be found in any number of different make trucks. If we can nail down the model of the rear axle you need, we can possibly come up with a list of other makes that used that same rear. Is your rear axle beyond repair?
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Re: Rear end

Postby trolldog » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:51 pm

Hello The truck weighs 8,000 lb ( four ton, 22 ft long) have no idea what that relates to capacity !!?? It is not a worm or two speed . The main bearing WAS timpken * Sp Has fairly modern looking u joints took the differential out , the input shaft bearing had failed and the pinion climbed the ring gear and took out 3 teeth on the ring . I brought it to Colorado last year and mistakenly let the scrappers take the wrong differential !! the axels are fine and I had rebuilt the mechanical brakes and seals and still have the yoke , but believe it would be impossible to find the exact matching differential and am probably looking for an intact whole rear end and could machine the yoke and steel wheels to mate up. The rear end axel tubes are square . On a nicer day soon I can get some measurements and will attempt with the administrators help to post pics. Any input will be GREATLY appreciated . Thanks Troll
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Re: Rear end

Postby steve s. » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:53 pm

In order to look up any data on the truck, we need to know the model or rated capacity. This information would be found on a plate , possibly with the serial number. These plates are usually found on the dash board, or occasionally on the firewall, under the hood. I am not too familiar with Selden trucks, but every truck had one when new. Hopefully yours is still there.

Otherwise it will be more challenging to figure out what truck model you have. Is it a 4 or 6 cylinder? 3 or 4 speed? what size tires? Are you sure it is a 1923? Is it a Pacemaker?

A little searching shows that Selden used both Columbia and Clark bevel gear rear axles in the 1920's. Lighter trucks did have bevel gears, heavier models used worm gears. My knowledge of 1923 era rear axles is limited, so I don't know if either of those used square axle tubes.

Pictures would be a help, both of the truck and the axle.
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Re: Rear end

Postby rz761 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:28 pm

Need pictures of this rear. Hubs, differential.
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Re: Rear end

Postby trolldog » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:42 pm

Model 8H (off the data tag on dash ) Troll
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Re: Rear end

Postby rz761 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:46 pm

Need pictures
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Re: Rear end

Postby trolldog » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:05 pm

Pictures on their way (tomorrow ??!!) .Please check back . Thanks Troll
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Re: Rear end

Postby trolldog » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:23 am

Here are the pictures!
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Re: Rear end

Postby rz761 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:12 am

I got something pretty close. Give me a call. 607-725-3639

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Brockway rear end

Postby trolldog » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:20 am

Hello I have added pictures to my previous post pertaining to Brockway rear end .Please have a look ! Thanks Troll
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Re: Rear end

Postby steve s. » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:03 pm

Hopefully Richie Z has something that will fit your truck.

Nothing I have shows any model 8H. That may be a special fire chassis. The Pacemaker however is fairly well documented. I would guess that your truck is based on the 1-1/4 ton model 24-26 Pacemaker. That truck used a Clark model B365 semi floating rear axle, rated at 3650 lbs. the standard gear ratio was 5:1, with an optional ratio of 5.66:1. There was also a slightly heavier Clark axle the B501, rated at 5500 lbs. The 365 and 501 model axles were used in other trucks including: Beiderman, Clinton, Guilder, Gotfredson, LeMoon, Denby, Sandow, Grass-Premier, Hahn, Noble, United, and Stewart. Although you may have never heard of these truck makes, there still may be some parts laying around somewhere that may be of use to you.
Let us know how you make out.
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