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On this topic Roger Martin of Vermont is questioning a NEW ruling by the NYDOT that ALL trucks over 26,000 now need an IFTA sticker regardless of antique / historical plating.

I am of the understanding that antique / historical non commercial vehicles are exempt!!

He is asking if this will effect the ATHS show in Springfield Mass, but will it also effect Cortland??

Do any of our NYS residents have any further info???

Brocky

?? the way it reads on NY dot web site " the qualifyed MV - motor vehicle other than RV- used,desidned, maitianed for transport of persons, property. has more than2 axles + gvw 26,000+ lbs. has more than 3 axles used in combo, and weight more than26,000lbs -- still lookin thro this site to find a # to call an? this for antique truckers hopefully have happy news when were back

I coulddd be wrong , but think you brockway truckrs may be alrite owners 3axle trucks / dumps, tractors probably are workin units already tagd and stickerd just quessed here , smaller 2 axle units unless there reg. workin trucks not plated over 26,000lbs can make this , quessin smaller trucks are antique plated so they wouldnt be over the 26,000 tractors with trailer would quetionable and out of staters self powerd / not trailerd 3 ax. units you guys mite already know how all this IFTA stuff works Im not to good at this road tax stuff but heres # (518) 457-5735-- its automated so go to fuel tax & maybe the man on this line could explain this better , maybe someone else mite find out things more than me just hopein this dont messup things for cortland.. ATHS guys must have people fiqurein things for sringfield trip to canada hope this is some wat rite dont want to be steerin people wrong here

Popper

I think you are right in assuming that ATHS will be able to give us some better correct answers long before the show.
Brocky

Typical mass hysteria of ATHS. Both my NYS historical plates have no gross weight in the registration box, therefore NOT over 26,000. Besides not an issue until actually pulled over. Historical NY plates are not allowed to pull a trailer unless part of a historical display. Yet everyone does anyway.

I have been pulling a trailer with Antique Plates on tractor and regular Penna. Trailer Plates with my old trucks.In Pa. you cannot put Antique Plates on trailer even if over 25 years old I was told by Penndot in Harrisburg. So far no problems in Pa.Ny,and NJ.This is not to say some Lawman reads the law differently. I do have IFTA Stickers. I plan on taking unit to Springfield ATHS Show,lets see what Connecticut and Massachussets do with influx of Antique Plates on Trucks. Joe D.

The dumb part about PA antique plates is the vehicle has to be in perfect condition before PennDOT will issue the plate. No rust, shiny paint, etc. Of what I've saw of NY antique-plated trucks, they don't seem to care as much about the vehicle's condition, but if I remember right, NY antique plates are either 1 or 2 years, while PA antique plates are permenant.
Shelby

NY historical plate = one year. NYSDOT regulations also state the you must run a logbook for over 26,000 yet no one driving historical does that either. Many do not even have a CDL. Best place to have NYS traffic law interpreted is by calling your local NYS Trooper barracks. THEY are the ones that will have to enforce the law. Personally, I am going to continue as I have been.

ATHS got a lot of people excited about IFTA before the Valley Forge PA show years ago. They said trucks would be checked. I foolishly got an IFTA sticker . My truck never made it to the show, I forgot about the IFTA, and recieved a hefty fine in the mail for not filing a report. They didn't care that I had not driven the truck. I had to do some delicate *ss kissing to get out of the fine. What BS. Never again. As far as I'm concerned I drive an Historic Vehicle, not a commercial vehicle. Steve

I have antique trucks and a trailer here in Mass. that I have been taking to shows for quite a few years. The first show I was going to go to was at Valley Forge and I was told I needed fuel permits. They were quite expensive for the weekend so after that I joined IFTA. Since that time my name popped out of the computer at IFTA headquarters and I went through a complete audit with the Mass. Dept. of Revenue agent at my house. He told me that it does not matter what kind of plate you run on the truck if the truck meets the requirements of the law then you must run IFTA. The individual states want the fuel tax money. Several years ago my buddy and I were on our way to Macungie, PA with our trucks which are both registered antique and he got pulled over in Hartford, CT and was fined $130 for not having IFTA. Now he refuses to go through CT.
Quadbox: You should have no problem in Mass. the way you are set up with an antique registered tractor and commercial trailer and your IFTA stickers. Although Stan is right you need to be pulled over first. Doug Richardson

Doug My Brother and I run a few trucks with our own Authority,Insurance and IFTA permits. So I ordering an exta one and filing is no big deal. Pa. does enforce filing and mileage reporting though. IFTA is a lot easier than the old way of multiple permits though.DO you have to have name and USDOT # on Antique Truck? Thanks Joe D.

I have my name on the door but do not have any DOT number as I am not a business. Each year when I apply for the IFTA decals I mark the form Antique use only and the Dept. of Revenue accepts it. On a separate note each year when I go to Macungie , Pa. I travel Rt. 209 through the Delaware Water Gap . The Park Rangers would not let my buddy go through there because his company name was on the door even though the truck had antique plates on it. They said I was fine to go because I didn't have advertising on my door. After that, he had some magnetic signs made to cover the company name and put his own name on for when we go that route.

Doug Richardson

Hi guys I'm try to follow along on what's going on here.
Does that mean when I make the trip from Florida to Cortland I am looking for trouble?
Will have to go through a lot a different states and tolls.
Don't have a company name but was thinking of putting a Brockway logo on the door.
What else will I need to look out for? I was hoping for this to be a fun trip
Will be towing a car. Thanks Tony

Tony I cannot give any advice and guarantee it is correct it seems everyone has a different answer and opinion. When the problems clear up at the ATHS Site maybe you could get some reliable information there. Your 358 is looking good. Joe D.

Tony

It all depends on the state you are in and the officer you are dealing with. I do not have any personal first hand experience yet with a big truck. It also may depend on how the rules for your antique / historical base plate from your home state are written as to what you need. Basically ALL antique truck should be exempt but try explaining that to the man with a gun and ticket book along side the road!!

In the members section of the old ATHS site there were some letters of exemption for some states you could print out and have in the truck to show an officer. With the new AFU forum status it is hard to tell.

I have seen a lot of trucks with the words " Historical Vehicle -- Not For Hire" neatly lettered on the bottom of the door or on the sleeper where an IFTA sticker usually goes. I presume this helps.

Brocky