1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby huskidrive 359 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:54 am

TicketMan4u, If the aluminum tag Mike is talking about is missing, go to the driverside rear of the engine block and just below the parting line of the cyl head there should be a ENGINE # stamped into the block. The # will identify the engine. Paul
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby Huskiedrive361 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:40 am

Being naturally aspirated (no turbo) there are only a few possibilities as to what engine size the Cummins diesel is. It is an NH engine, and 855 series. (5 1/2" bore x 6" stroke = 855 cubic inches) This is confirmed by sight. That gives us NH230, NH250. The only difference between the 230 and the 250 is fuel pump settings and injector size. It could also be a Super 250 which is a 927 series engine (different bore and stroke, same block, external appearance) There are a few other obscure, special ordered engine models based on the same 855 series that where lower horsepower economy model, but not usually found in this age/model Brockway. My question is why does it matter? Engine change in old trucks is common and doesn't really effect value like a numbers matching muscle car. And just to further explain, N in the model number, ie: N361 could mean any model of 855 or 927 series in-line six cylinder Cummins, not just the NH230.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby Huskiedrive361 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:45 am

Like Paul said the engine serial # will be stamped into the block at the right rear of the block below the base of the heads. This number can be given the a Cummins dealer and the original configuration can be determined. If the engine has been rebuilt and modified to some other build, it will no longer be accurate.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby TicketMan4u » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:00 pm

Got to stop by today for just a few minutes just before closing and look at the truck again but had not seen you're replies yet.

Ladies in the office showed me a long aluminum plate about 1-1/2" w x 11" l with all the info from their ad.

Model NTC-250
Engine# 10462735
Engine Certification Identification: Family-092 CPI-0176
So.No. 15221
Mfg. Date 11-74
Ref. No. 3966-A2-3

Said it was found in the truck but they did not know where, cab or engine compartment.

This is where I'm getting confused I think. Am I wrong in thinking the NTC-250 was a turbo charged engine?

I'll go back again with the additional info and look in the places you all have suggested for the correct engine information.

As to why it matters what engine is in the truck, if I buy it I will most likely being buying it for someone else. From past experience I know he will want to know exactly what size engine it has as he may have a use for it in another one of the vehicles or pieces of heavy equipment he already owns.

I do not have the knowledge or resources to take on such a big project as trying to restore a truck like this but I still try to save them by finding buyers who will at least be able to use some parts themselves and maybe resell the rest rather than just sit by and let it be cut up and scrapped.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby Huskiedrive361 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:33 am

There is an NTC 250. Yes it is turbo charged, but it is a later model engine from the mid 1980's.
Maybe your best bet would be to try and talk to the previous owner and see what they did to the truck.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby TicketMan4u » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:59 am

That's what my research was turning up also but I saw the plate with the information I posted above that had a manufacture date of 11/74. That is what I meant about it not making sense.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby quadbox » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:34 am

The long aluminum plate that was found in cab was mounted on the accessory drive cover on left front side of engine looking forward. It is for that engine only with codes for CPL.When the turbocharged 250 was introduced I believe it was for smoke rules not more power.If trans is original only engine that could be used productively would be a Custom Torque or Formula type high torque rise engine.It would be nice to save it. Joe D.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby TicketMan4u » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:44 pm

Thanks for all who have helped. Auction is ending July 7th but now there is a Reserve. May still try to purchase but will have to see how high the competition bids.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby jasondunn » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:12 pm

I just looked on the auction website. Bidding ended less than an hour ago. Final price was $675.00. I sure hope it didn't go to a scrapper.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby TicketMan4u » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:39 pm

Not exactly sure who bought it since bidder names are kept secret. I couldn't see bidding over $500 and still make any money myself. I know the auction site owner spent $250 of his own money having it towed and they put a reserve on it.

The auction actually starting ending Sunday evening on the 7th at 7pm. When you look back at sold items later after the auction closes the time on the item itself is not actually correct.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby H762TL » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:15 am

for 500 you could have scrapped the truck and made good money. but if anyone up here decided to have someone bring it up it would probably cost the remaining value of the truck. tough situation....
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby TicketMan4u » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:12 pm

I've scrapped trucks before but no longer have the place or resources to do so by myself. I had hoped to find a buyer here online or from one of my local contacts for at least some of the bigger parts before buying but no one I know seemed interested.

It sold for $675 plus tax and commission coming to a total of about $843.75. If I had started bidding it probably would have gone even higher, no way to know for sure. Without having a buyer already lined up for the engine, tranny, rear end, fuel tanks, etc., I saw it as a no win situation. $843.75 is a far cry from $500, plus transportation costs or the cost of splitting any profit with a partner made it no longer a good investment for me in my opinion.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby huskidrive 359 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:03 pm

Ticketman, I was hoping you would have taken a liking to her, and givin her a good home. It was a shame it was so far away, trucking wasn't economicaly feasibile for us northerners. (please forgive my spelling) Anyway at least you learned a thing or too about Huskidrive. Paul
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby TicketMan4u » Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:27 am

I got into big trucks late in life. I'm retired now and can't be on the road all the time like before when I was working. A few years ago I met an old man I became friends with who had some big 1960's International R-190 trucks and some 1970's R-600 model Macks.

I learned a few things visiting him from time to time during the last couple of years before I retired but not nearly enough. I helped him sell some Mack trucks and parts he had then became a finder locating several trucks he bought and used at work or tried to fix and sell.

I don't have the knowledge, finances, resources, or location to buy big trucks but I like the job of finding them and trying to put them together with people who do. I understand the problem with distance as one of my past endeavors involved selling M151 MUTT jeep engine/transmission power packs for another friend and shipping them all over the South. We eventually realized we were not making any money and stopped.

Friends I have made and worked with have taught me much but joining Forums and searching out others with specialized knowledge about certain topics has helped me even more. I really appreciate all the help I've received here and will looking back in from time to time if anymore Brockways happen to lose their way and end up down here South of the Mason-Dixon line. Seems like most of the old big truck lovers I've run across seem to be up North but maybe that will change. Things always change, its just a matter of when.

Talk to you guys again soon I hope but until then I'll just be piddling around here down in Alabama looking for what I can find and who I can get to buy it. See ya!
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby myfirstbrockway » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:58 am

I was researching brockway trucks and I came across this site . I was glad to see all the interest in the brockway at sam lilly. I bought the truck and intend to restore it if it is origional. there seems to be a difference of opinion on the motor. Its got the 250 cummins and 5 speed and 3.70 rears in it . it needs a cab top if I can find one. Six more months and it would only have been good for scrap.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby TicketMan4u » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:36 pm

Glad to hear about your intentions. I'm in Alabaster and have a friend in Dolomite with several old Mack parts trucks. If there's anyway one of them might have the same cab dimensions let me know. I'll be glad to help you find any parts that might help.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby myfirstbrockway » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:36 pm

I was told that a mack top wouldnt fit it but a 70's model kenworth might have the same top
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby TicketMan4u » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:41 pm

My friend has a lot of trucks in what I call the graveyard. I've photographed all the Macks but my batteries went dead before I could get to the others. I'll have to go by and see if he has a KW donor cab. Let you know if I find anything.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby stubnosebrock » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:39 pm

When you say cab top, I assume you mean the roof. If that is the case, nothing but a 200 or 300 series Brockway cab will work. Nothing else is even close.
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Re: 1973/74 Brockway N361T in upcoming Alabama auction

Postby TicketMan4u » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:23 pm

Hopefully this will show the condition of the cab roof. My thoughts would have been to cut off the entire top and wire weld a donor top in its place.

I have no experience with body repair and don't know if it would work but it was a thought I would have run by someone with more experience to see if it was feasible.
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