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 Post subject: Brockway Pic of the Week 2-27-12
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:49 am 
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For this week we have another two for one special. These are some very interesting pictures that Glen Tolbert sent me last week. He discovered these pics while thumbing through the albums the Cortland Historical Society has on display during the annual show.

It's obviously based on a 359 with the short hood and high cab, but it has a set back axle similar to a 361. So what model do you think it is? A 362? A 351?

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Nice picture. Like the 776 is mid length hood this looks like the predecessor to it. Maybe it would be the 331 Model.This picture is more elusive than the Superliner Brockway. Thanks Tom and Glen. Joe D.


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Axle isn't set back, it's the hood that is longer, giving the appearance that the axle is back, just like the U360. wonder if it might have a bigger than typical 359 engine in it, don't think a 12V71 would fit, maybe a 1693 Cat, like the H360 has?
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I want to agree with Shelby?? BUT?? Look at the size of that fan shroud.. Does this have a small engine even though the engine compartment is designed for a larger engine??? Why make the hood longer and not use the space?? This was built during the era when length laws were being strictly enforced.

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I think it may be a 369 because it is 9 inches higher than a 361.


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I agree with Glen. It was a surprise to see that much unused space under the hood. I would bet that it's a prototype for a larger engined truck. I also agree about the set back axle, it's just a longer hood. IMHO
(Nice looking truck though)

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Yea, it does appear as if the only reason there is that big of a shroud is just to guard the fan, if I had to make a guess, I'd say that this truck was some kind of mockup for a larger engined version of the 359, and they just put a smaller engine in it to make it run. This could've turned out to be something like maybe an H359 or U359.


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I agree with Emery, the 3 bar grill and quad headlights in a 300 series kind of denote it's an earlier model so I would put my money on prototype. If it was intended for a 12v, why wouldn't you put the 12v in it during the mockup?

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Andy Hill sent me an email and noted that this truck was built sometime in 1966, and may have been a predecessor to the 360 and 361's.

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I was thinking the same thing, since didn't the 358/359 came out before the 360/361? So maybe is actually a prototype 361, or more likely, a prototype longhood 360? think of it in terms of length laws, Brockway may have decided to try this design for the bigger power trucks with 1693s and 12V71s, instead of the lengthened 360 chassis that they ended up using. That truck appears to be no longer than a normal 360/361. And the reason it may have the smaller engine in it might be they didn't have a larger engine at the time to put in it, and were more interested in just getting it running and moving. just a thought. too bad this truck never made it into production (who knows, maybe there are a few floating around out there), I bet it would've looked nice with a big dump body on it.


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The hood is not longer than a 360/361 for sure, in fact it appears as though it is about 2/3 rds the length. The reasons for the set up are forever lost, but I would guess larger engine as well. But Ted raises a good question, why not build it with the large engine? Why spend time to make the long fan shroud? Cooling a large engine would be an issue as in any 300 series, and this one isn't wearing the U or H radiator ahead of the front frame crossmember either. I suggest these type of pictures be brought out during the former employee recognition on Friday night. Maybe the reason is still known in the mind of one of the guys who built it.

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I think it's great that photo's like this have survived. Stan's right. This photo and photos of the "superliner" brockway need to be show to the retirees to see if it sparks some info from one of them. I don't know what the heck this thing is. Like Edog, I think it's model number should be a 369. I always had a dream of building a high cab 361. This is a very interesting photo. Still has dual headlights in front fenders, (early 300) maybe they were still playing around after the 259 and this was a 359 initial concept? We'll probably never know. Thanks for the pic!


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Maybe room left for 12-71 but it looks like a 855 Cummins in there now. Any 855 would be same size unless aftercooled. Could be extra room for KT Series Cummins. Only a guess. Joe D.


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Whatever you call it ,its strange. I think like Dane said this was next after the259. The thing that catches my eye is the radiator brackets that extend below the frame. That is for the larger rad. and is the same design that they used on the V-12 and 1693 Cat with the1465 sqr. inch rad.


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